Comments on: Let us pray http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/ Just another WordPress weblog Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:29:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Bekins http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22683 Bekins Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:00:16 +0000 http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22683 http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml8581.htm Interesting observations on Lincoln's beliefs. Certainly no holy roller. Definitely wasn't a slave owner. The way the bible repeatedly justifies slavery is as good a reason as any to blow it off as the framework for a moral belief system. Maybe Lincoln had not gotten to that part when he said, "...take all of this book upon reason that you can, and the balance on faith, and you will live and die a happier and better man." http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml8581.htm
Interesting observations on Lincoln’s beliefs. Certainly no holy roller. Definitely wasn’t a slave owner. The way the bible repeatedly justifies slavery is as good a reason as any to blow it off as the framework for a moral belief system. Maybe Lincoln had not gotten to that part when he said, “…take all of this book upon reason that you can, and the balance on faith, and you will live and die a happier and better man.”

]]> By: BZ http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22679 BZ Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:33:34 +0000 http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22679 benny, calm down. No-one is asking you to accept anything blindly. Maher, Hitchens, Savage, et al are entertainers who lure their following by making annoying and outlandish statements, often iconoclastic and unmistakeably clever. Hey, it's a free country, so why not? It's easy to discern that they have their own political views. Hitch's tenous comment about Al-Qaeda and Iraq is of a piece with his support of the war from the outset. Although I think he has backtracked recently, I think he is just covering his pompous backside. benny, calm down. No-one is asking you to accept anything blindly. Maher, Hitchens, Savage, et al are entertainers who lure their following by making annoying and outlandish statements, often iconoclastic and unmistakeably clever. Hey, it’s a free country, so why not? It’s easy to discern that they have their own political views. Hitch’s tenous comment about Al-Qaeda and Iraq is of a piece with his support of the war from the outset. Although I think he has backtracked recently, I think he is just covering his pompous backside.

]]> By: Knemon http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22599 Knemon Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:34:41 +0000 http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22599 Lincoln was certainly a skeptic, at the very least, when he was younger - but his rhetoric got more and more religious over time, especially during the war. Lincoln was certainly a skeptic, at the very least, when he was younger - but his rhetoric got more and more religious over time, especially during the war.

]]> By: benny http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22594 benny Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:29:35 +0000 http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22594 Lincoln was a racist and a tyrant. Maher and Hitchens are no better than Falwell, Farrakhan, etc. They are all smug know it alls who think THEY ALONE have all the answers. Hitchens also said on this same show that it is a fact that Iraq had ties to Al-qaeda. Now who believes in blind faith? Lincoln was a racist and a tyrant. Maher and Hitchens are no better than Falwell, Farrakhan, etc. They are all smug know it alls who think THEY ALONE have all the answers. Hitchens also said on this same show that it is a fact that Iraq had ties to Al-qaeda. Now who believes in blind faith?

]]> By: CB http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22467 CB Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:08:24 +0000 http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22467 Caligirl, I believe you're confusing Thomas Jefferson with Lincoln, and Hitchens knows the fact only too well, as he wrote a book on Jefferson. He didn't mention a lot of details in the debat, probably because they aren't relevant. Thing is a)what on earth does that have to do with the existence of God? b) If a god-botherer had slaves too(and you must know that plenty did) doesn't that make them doubly wrong? c) You've committed a logical fallacy called 'poisoning the well' e.g 'because a believes b his belief in c/anything he says can't be trusted'. In the sense you used it it's a fallacy because b and c aren't related at all. it could work if you said something like 'because a is a creationist his views on evolution can't be trusted' because the two subjects are inextricably linked. It doesn't work in your example. Caligirl, I believe you’re confusing Thomas Jefferson with Lincoln, and Hitchens knows the fact only too well, as he wrote a book on Jefferson. He didn’t mention a lot of details in the debat, probably because they aren’t relevant. Thing is

a)what on earth does that have to do with the existence of God?

b) If a god-botherer had slaves too(and you must know that plenty did) doesn’t that make them doubly wrong?

c) You’ve committed a logical fallacy called ‘poisoning the well’ e.g ‘because a believes b his belief in c/anything he says can’t be trusted’. In the sense you used it it’s a fallacy because b and c aren’t related at all. it could work if you said something like ‘because a is a creationist his views on evolution can’t be trusted’ because the two subjects are inextricably linked. It doesn’t work in your example.

]]> By: just asking http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22436 just asking Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:57:55 +0000 http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22436 Is it condescending for a straight guy to call a gay guy "my dear?" Just asking. Is it condescending for a straight guy to call a gay guy “my dear?”

Just asking.

]]> By: Phil http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22434 Phil Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:45:42 +0000 http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22434 Oh, come on, Lincoln didn't believe in God? Wow, well, his speeches sure don't reflect as much. Oh, come on, Lincoln didn’t believe in God? Wow, well, his speeches sure don’t reflect as much.

]]> By: Tom http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22429 Tom Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:16:40 +0000 http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22429 Where'd you go to school, callgirl? How many slaves did Lincoln own, and what were their names. And did he kept them hidden in Illinois so's he wouldn't get arrested? Where’d you go to school, callgirl? How many slaves did Lincoln own, and what were their names. And did he kept them hidden in Illinois so’s he wouldn’t get arrested?

]]> By: caligirl http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22428 caligirl Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:01:45 +0000 http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22428 it didn't get said very LOUDLY, and dumbass maher let it slide, but christopher hitchens in his mumbling way (albeit with a british accent so that you get bamboozled into thinking he knows what he's talking about) neglected to mention that lincoln also owned SLAVES...so so much for the great massa lincoln and his opinion on anything! it didn’t get said very LOUDLY, and dumbass maher let it slide, but christopher hitchens in his mumbling way (albeit with a british accent so that you get bamboozled into thinking he knows what he’s talking about) neglected to mention that lincoln also owned SLAVES…so so much for the great massa lincoln and his opinion on anything!

]]> By: Jeff Wagner http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22420 Jeff Wagner Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:48:51 +0000 http://prezvid.com/2008/03/02/let-us-pray/#comment-22420 Christopher Hitchens for President. Tell the religionists to stuff it. Christopher Hitchens for President. Tell the religionists to stuff it.

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